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New For 2022- Pahaque 5x7 & 10x10 Now Fit Camp Inn

campdude

campdude

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Sweeney said:
My cottonwood was such a magnificent tent, if something happens to my ARB side room --- this would most certainly be what I would replace it with. Formerly, they stood up to wind and rain better than anything I've ever owned before or since.
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I think I'd go this way too, Sweeney. That custom door frame to make the connection bug-sealed is elegant and effective, even easier to setup than the original CampInn side tents. (Which work very well, but as mine are getting old, I'm thinking ahead for next size up when time comes)
 
Kevin said:
I think I'd go this way too, Sweeney. That custom door frame to make the connection bug-sealed is elegant and effective, even easier to setup than the original CampInn side tents. (Which work very well, but as mine are getting old, I'm thinking ahead for next size up when time comes)
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The ARB room solution isn't bad -- but it has limitations that, after several trips, it has become more apparent its not perfect. I am not sure I'd do it again....in fact, I'm 90% sure I wouldn't.

Last year a CICO, another owner of an ARB side tent experienced catastrophic failure when rain collected on the top, which quite literally collapsed the poles. Even when I drop mine to a fairly substantial pitch, I still get water on my roof, and the nature of aluminum is to be VERY strong....right until it breaks without warning.

If you use just the roof for an awning for rain fly and side room, its probably not as big of an issue -- when its rains just drop a corner all the way down.

However, if you add the side room, the room's height goes to about 48 inches. This means slack in the sides, which is already there with the CampInn application. Its just too short. This means you get water in the base. I'm sure it keeps water out...no doubt...because it keeps water in :) I have to carry a bilge sponge to dry it out after every rain.

The high wall and fixed height of the Pahaque would take care of those issues. What I don't know, is how well ventilated the Pahaque is --- ventilation is so important to me. The ARB opens wide with screens on all sides and, those screens open.

All this, just because I want to keep a critter (or three) safe and ' at home ' overnight, dry out of the rain and maybe have a place to get dressed without doing "the worm"
 
Sweeney said:
The ARB room solution isn't bad -- but it has limitations that, after several trips, it has become more apparent its not perfect. I am not sure I'd do it again....in fact, I'm 90% sure I wouldn't.

Last year a CICO, another owner of an ARB side tent experienced catastrophic failure when rain collected on the top, which quite literally collapsed the poles. Even when I drop mine to a fairly substantial pitch, I still get water on my roof, and the nature of aluminum is to be VERY strong....right until it breaks without warning.

If you use just the roof for an awning for rain fly and side room, its probably not as big of an issue -- when its rains just drop a corner all the way down.

However, if you add the side room, the room's height goes to about 48 inches. This means slack in the sides, which is already there with the CampInn application. Its just too short. This means you get water in the base. I'm sure it keeps water out...no doubt...because it keeps water in :) I have to carry a bilge sponge to dry it out after every rain.

The high wall and fixed height of the Pahaque would take care of those issues. What I don't know, is how well ventilated the Pahaque is --- ventilation is so important to me. The ARB opens wide with screens on all sides and, those screens open.

All this, just because I want to keep a critter (or three) safe and ' at home ' overnight, dry out of the rain and maybe have a place to get dressed without doing "the worm"
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We aren’t using our ARB awning room and will sell it on. The awning risers can come off. The search continues! Pahaque? Maybe.

We carry a sturdy tent pole with a tennis ball stuck on top. With it we create a single peak at the center of the ARB 8’ (2500) awning. This will handle a torrent!
 
SethB said:
We aren’t using our ARB awning room and will sell it on. The awning risers can come off. The search continues! Pahaque? Maybe.

We carry a sturdy tent pole with a tennis ball stuck on top. With it we create a single peak at the center of the ARB 8’ (2500) awning. This will handle a torrent!
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I can see where that would make a huge difference!

Looks like parts are available, and they aren't terribly insanely priced...

ARB Awning Replacement Parts - Desert Rat Off Road Centers
 
Kevin said:
Thanks Sweeney and Seth for real world rain use feedback.
ARB comes from the Straya Outback where 4x4 nomads on serious MadMax use provides really great solutions...for the desert. Glad there are ways to handle the rain too...Seth you are the best reference for all things CampInn Wet with all your time in the PNW rain forest...
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I’m a CI wetxpert! (Say it out loud until it makes sense)

Another life goal accomplished!
 
I live in Northwest Florida and have found three things that mostly work on yellow flies: 1) Bug Balls- a black object covered in sticky spray that wobbles. Good for a small area. 2) Deer fly strips that stick on the back of a cap. It traps the deer flies that orbit around your head, kind of a mobile bug ball. 2) 100% DEET.

Kevin said:
Thanks Sweeney and Seth for real world rain use feedback.
ARB comes from the Straya Outback where 4x4 nomads on serious MadMax use provides really great solutions...for the desert. Glad there are ways to handle the rain too...Seth you are the best reference for all things CampInn Wet with all your time in the PNW rain forest...

Me: Not pitching anything here but one thing about my NB12x12 is the sturdy external frame holds up pretty well to wind and rain, and the two entry sides allow me a couple ways to position it all over the CI, to give me privacy potty protection on one side and some room behind galley for a couple chairs to watch the rain. Its a squeeze but do-able...

It is more work to setup and take down, so I'm eyeballing the Clams (especially DustinPs in Mossy Oak camo...
say, "could I use that as a blind in deer country?"
And,
Look out SongDogs if you think you are gonna get my fur children... Heh heh heh...

and that newer one fergit the name...similar to Clams...that holds up a little better to rain and snow on roof.

What I like about the Pahaque is the partial rain fly roof on outside of the poles at top...cant quite make out the pole diameter or joints but would be interested to any actual user feedback on how it holds up in winds and heavy rain.

Fwiw: I'm now experimenting putting a Kelty tarp over the NB's frame as a rain fly for really damp places...and to give a bit more of shade- in bright sun enough makes it through to charge the battery via solar panel handily but it gets pretty hot over the roof area, especially if you run the AC or cook on galley...

Side benefit of the NB with just its own roof, no tarp is that any of those annoying meat hornets that appear out of nowhere from FL to ID once you start cooking up some bacon...

or those stinking yellow biting swamp flies in FL (hate those sumb1tches)...

All get irradiated/scorched if they end up there...between the tent ceiling and the CI metal roof plus black solar panel...
(cue evil chuckle)
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Kevin said:
Thanks Sweeney and Seth for real world rain use feedback.
ARB comes from the Straya Outback where 4x4 nomads on serious MadMax use provides really great solutions...for the desert. Glad there are ways to handle the rain too...Seth you are the best reference for all things CampInn Wet with all your time in the PNW rain forest...

Me: Not pitching anything here but one thing about my NB12x12 is the sturdy external frame holds up pretty well to wind and rain, and the two entry sides allow me a couple ways to position it all over the CI, to give me privacy potty protection on one side and some room behind galley for a couple chairs to watch the rain. Its a squeeze but do-able...

It is more work to setup and take down, so I'm eyeballing the Clams (especially DustinPs in Mossy Oak camo...
say, "could I use that as a blind in deer country?"
And,
Look out SongDogs if you think you are gonna get my fur children... Heh heh heh...

and that newer one fergit the name...similar to Clams...that holds up a little better to rain and snow on roof.

What I like about the Pahaque is the partial rain fly roof on outside of the poles at top...cant quite make out the pole diameter or joints but would be interested to any actual user feedback on how it holds up in winds and heavy rain.

Fwiw: I'm now experimenting putting a Kelty tarp over the NB's frame as a rain fly for really damp places...and to give a bit more of shade- in bright sun enough makes it through to charge the battery via solar panel handily but it gets pretty hot over the roof area, especially if you run the AC or cook on galley...

Side benefit of the NB with just its own roof, no tarp is that any of those annoying meat hornets that appear out of nowhere from FL to ID once you start cooking up some bacon...

or those stinking yellow biting swamp flies in FL (hate those sumb1tches)...

All get irradiated/scorched if they end up there...between the tent ceiling and the CI metal roof plus black solar panel...
(cue evil chuckle)
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Even 50% DEET will melt your watch crystal, your eyeglass frames and lenses, lots of other plastic things.
I had a bottle in my pocket on a canoe trip. It leaked and melted the pocket bottom. Be careful!
 
rmbrowder said:
I live in Northwest Florida and have found three things that mostly work on yellow flies: 1) Bug Balls- a black object covered in sticky spray that wobbles. Good for a small area. 2) Deer fly strips that stick on the back of a cap. It traps the deer flies that orbit around your head, kind of a mobile bug ball. 2) 100% DEET.
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Tried Pemetheryn? I think that's how it spelled --- spray it on clothes, blankets --- when its wet its not great for humans and animals --- but once it dries its a neurotoxin for bugs....harmless to people...

We had a class A that had a major infestation of stink bugs - We bombed the roof, carpet, and curtains --- in a week it was like a stink bug mortuary. Didn't see one for 2 years after that.

Of course....since then ... is it just me? I haven't seen stink bugs at all since 2020....wonder if there is a corelation...
 
Sweeney said:
Tried Pemetheryn? I think that's how it spelled --- spray it on clothes, blankets --- when its wet its not great for humans and animals --- but once it dries its a neurotoxin for bugs....harmless to people...

We had a class A that had a major infestation of stink bugs - We bombed the roof, carpet, and curtains --- in a week it was like a stink bug mortuary. Didn't see one for 2 years after that.

Of course....since then ... is it just me? I haven't seen stink bugs at all since 2020....wonder if there is a corelation...
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I treat my outdoor clothes by soaking in permethrin, then air drying. It works great for anything that crawls on your clothes. The yellow flies only go for bare skin and bite as soon as they land, following a few circles around the target. When driving into the woods for trail work the tellow flies will swarm the side mirrors. The first one out draws them off then extra deet is applied by the rest of the group then the “runner is sprayed.
 
rmbrowder said:
I treat my outdoor clothes by soaking in permethrin, then air drying. It works great for anything that crawls on your clothes. The yellow flies only go for bare skin and bite as soon as they land, following a few circles around the target. When driving into the woods for trail work the tellow flies will swarm the side mirrors. The first one out draws them off then extra deet is applied by the rest of the group then the “runner is sprayed.
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Yah, target attacked is hard to beat. I hate bug spray - but sometimes its just a necessary evil.
 
rmbrowder said:
I treat my outdoor clothes by soaking in permethrin, then air drying. It works great for anything that crawls on your clothes. The yellow flies only go for bare skin and bite as soon as they land, following a few circles around the target. When driving into the woods for trail work the tellow flies will swarm the side mirrors. The first one out draws them off then extra deet is applied by the rest of the group then the “runner is sprayed.
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Thanks for the yellow flies tips; hate those buggers...

So....Just "dont be that (first) guy" out then...

Remind me to tell you the shark diving story about Dear Wife...pushing me out in front, first...
 
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