Traveling in rain-Water inside cabin

We are currently on the road in our 2009 has water on the edges of the bed around the door- on both sides
Windows were closed tight
Ideas as what we need to repair to fix :) thanks
 
I had water come in around the marker lights above the doors. Some RTV under the light where the wires go into the body, plus around the edges of the light solved it.
 
We are currently on the road in our 2009 has water on the edges of the bed around the door- on both sides
Windows were closed tight
Ideas as what we need to repair to fix :) thanks
It is one of two things. Either water is getting driven into the condensate vents on the bottom of the windows by water spray from the tires. This is amplified on older campers with Fantastic fans because they can create suction inside (not so much on the 560 though). Try taping off the condensate drains on the window bottoms (black plastic pieces on the window frame) with electrical tape when driving in the rain.

The other thing it could be is water getting in around the door strike. This can happen on pre-2012 models, it is kind of random but possibly what you are seeing. This is solved by getting the door seal upgrade kit from our online store and installing on your camper.

One thing that helps to know is what is the tow vehicle being used? What kind of tires are on it?

Cary
 
Oh! Ok great thanks for the replies -
I’ll get back with information tomorrow - i appreciate the help so much!
We are currently parked at site and hunkered down for more rain coming … hopefully it’s not gonna be bad tho … have had an Amazing time on this trip! Love this camper
 
Looks like it’s coming in up underneath the door?? The doors were closed tight…
If it looks like it is coming in under the door that could be the door strike concern then. Water getting in around the latch on the older door seal arrangement. It will follow the seal down along the door and come out at the bottom of the door. Door seal upgrade when you get home may be in order. This can be tested by running water down the wall above the door with a hose to see if water is getting around the door latch strike.

What is the tow vehicle being used?

Cary
 
Any suggestions a temporary fix while traveling tomorrow? Looks like from
Chattanooga to Arkansas site tomorrow will include travel thru rain-
We thought of towels or plastic around the edges in the inside many closing the door with plastic trash bag or tarp closed inside/laying in mattress and closed in door?
Will def fix when we get home - will test as well to see what all we need but will prob do both -replace door seal and latch area like
 
Any suggestions a temporary fix while traveling tomorrow? Looks like from
Chattanooga to Arkansas site tomorrow will include travel thru rain-
We thought of towels or plastic around the edges in the inside many closing the door with plastic trash bag or tarp closed inside/laying in mattress and closed in door?
Will def fix when we get home - will test as well to see what all we need but will prob do both -replace door seal and latch area like
Ruth, Yes, the Escalade is for sure spraying water at the doors. I would start with taping off those lower plastic condensate drains on the window frames.

If it is water getting in at the strike not much you can do without changing it, but that would not likely cause water at both doors.

The other thing to do is to seal off the roof vent from the inside with tape and plastic. It is possible that you are getting suction in at the roof vent that is sucking water in at the windows. If you break that suction it will drastically reduce any water at the door.

Cary
 
We’ve had non-stop issues as it is impossible to travel around in upstate NY without rain (especially this year). But after 2.5 years of trying things, I think I have it under control, finally.
As Cary indicates above, the lovely teardrop shape of our trailers maybe acts as an airplane wing, under certain circumstances. A Honda CRV at 65 mph seems to be ideal. Non-turbulent, fast moving air creates low pressure over the trailer, lifts up the fan cover, creates low pressure in the cabin and then water gets sucked in through even the smallest of openings. Unusual but it seems logical. Look at that shape of our trailers! But some openings are not so small as I’ll describe below.
I have replaced the standard fan with a Maxair fan which has closing arms on each side, but that didn’t solve it. It must still lift up somehow. Maybe more so because its cap is bigger than the original fan.
So I searched for leaks and the biggest source of the leaks: under the fenders. There shouldn’t any leaks there. Greg thought it to be impossible but it is undeniable for our trailer. The mattress was often wet underneath, and the wettest right at the wheel wells, on both sides.
I took the wheels off, put the garden hose on the side and bottom of the trailer under all kinds of angles. Behind the wheel under the fender where the wall meets the floor, there was a hole somewhere. I have video of water shooting into the cabin from underneath the triangular reinformcement piece on the wall/floor joint. Happened on both sides! But impossible to see it visually. But that place is one of the wettest on the outside of the trailer so with a vacuum assist, water will get in. I tried several times to seal it with silicone caulk in a few places but never quite got it sealed. Eventually put heavy duty car sealant all along bottom corner starting a foot in front of the fender to a foot behind it. worked it into every corner and crevice I could find. Then I sprayed black truckbed coating on top of that. That finally did the trick. At least for water in those spots under the mattress.
2nd biggest source: where the ends of the door seals meet. The sides of the mattress gets soaked in the middle of the doors with any rain. Even after the fender area sealing I described above. On ours those door seal ends were cut in a little V-shape. Maybe that was done for draining potential condensate on cold doors. But if you put the water hose at the bottom of the door, it shoots right in. Again with a vacuum assist, water surely gets sucked in that way. I inverted the door seals to have the ends meet at the top of the door instead. Less water there. And then I filled the V-shaped gap with silicone. Mattress was dry! If there is a condensate problem, I’ll manage that another way. We always have the windows open and have very little condensate anyway.
The last source was a little water coming in along the door. On the right side, the door is warped a little bit under the door handle, enough to not seal completely. Sitting in the trailer, with the curtains closed and peering along the door seal, I could see light come in. I had some 5/16” soft tubing laying around that I put under the door seal. Enough to push it out a little bit, still soft to flex as the door closes. A new door seal probably works also.
There is a vent hole above the windows, but I’ve never seen water come in that way. Might be too high up. But if it leaks there, I’ll resort to removable rubber plugs.
This memorial day weekend we drove 4 hours in the pouring rain to the ADK mountains on Friday. The mattress was folded up and lifted up because we’ve had to deal with wet sides a few too many times. However, everything was dry! Great relief. I’m still a bit hesitant to declare complete success but it was the most significant improvement I’ve made so far. To be extra sure, I think I’ll replace two screws on the fan rim with screw-eyes and then I can add a strap over the fan cover to prevent any movement. That would solve the root cause but I think it is difficult make that fan seal completely.
BTW, the trailer is completely dry when not driven. And we’ve had some tremendous downpours while camping.
Hope this helps someone else. Curious if our experience is unique.
I have pictures that I might post later.
Rutger
 
We’ve had non-stop issues as it is impossible to travel around in upstate NY without rain (especially this year). But after 2.5 years of trying things, I think I have it under control, finally.
As Cary indicates above, the lovely teardrop shape of our trailers maybe acts as an airplane wing, under certain circumstances. A Honda CRV at 65 mph seems to be ideal. Non-turbulent, fast moving air creates low pressure over the trailer, lifts up the fan cover, creates low pressure in the cabin and then water gets sucked in through even the smallest of openings. Unusual but it seems logical. Look at that shape of our trailers! But some openings are not so small as I’ll describe below.
I have replaced the standard fan with a Maxair fan which has closing arms on each side, but that didn’t solve it. It must still lift up somehow. Maybe more so because its cap is bigger than the original fan.
So I searched for leaks and the biggest source of the leaks: under the fenders. There shouldn’t any leaks there. Greg thought it to be impossible but it is undeniable for our trailer. The mattress was often wet underneath, and the wettest right at the wheel wells, on both sides.
I took the wheels off, put the garden hose on the side and bottom of the trailer under all kinds of angles. Behind the wheel under the fender where the wall meets the floor, there was a hole somewhere. I have video of water shooting into the cabin from underneath the triangular reinformcement piece on the wall/floor joint. Happened on both sides! But impossible to see it visually. But that place is one of the wettest on the outside of the trailer so with a vacuum assist, water will get in. I tried several times to seal it with silicone caulk in a few places but never quite got it sealed. Eventually put heavy duty car sealant all along bottom corner starting a foot in front of the fender to a foot behind it. worked it into every corner and crevice I could find. Then I sprayed black truckbed coating on top of that. That finally did the trick. At least for water in those spots under the mattress.
2nd biggest source: where the ends of the door seals meet. The sides of the mattress gets soaked in the middle of the doors with any rain. Even after the fender area sealing I described above. On ours those door seal ends were cut in a little V-shape. Maybe that was done for draining potential condensate on cold doors. But if you put the water hose at the bottom of the door, it shoots right in. Again with a vacuum assist, water surely gets sucked in that way. I inverted the door seals to have the ends meet at the top of the door instead. Less water there. And then I filled the V-shaped gap with silicone. Mattress was dry! If there is a condensate problem, I’ll manage that another way. We always have the windows open and have very little condensate anyway.
The last source was a little water coming in along the door. On the right side, the door is warped a little bit under the door handle, enough to not seal completely. Sitting in the trailer, with the curtains closed and peering along the door seal, I could see light come in. I had some 5/16” soft tubing laying around that I put under the door seal. Enough to push it out a little bit, still soft to flex as the door closes. A new door seal probably works also.
There is a vent hole above the windows, but I’ve never seen water come in that way. Might be too high up. But if it leaks there, I’ll resort to removable rubber plugs.
This memorial day weekend we drove 4 hours in the pouring rain to the ADK mountains on Friday. The mattress was folded up and lifted up because we’ve had to deal with wet sides a few too many times. However, everything was dry! Great relief. I’m still a bit hesitant to declare complete success but it was the most significant improvement I’ve made so far. To be extra sure, I think I’ll replace two screws on the fan rim with screw-eyes and then I can add a strap over the fan cover to prevent any movement. That would solve the root cause but I think it is difficult make that fan seal completely.
BTW, the trailer is completely dry when not driven. And we’ve had some tremendous downpours while camping.
Hope this helps someone else. Curious if our experience is unique.
I have pictures that I might post later.
Rutger
Sorry, I misspelled Craig’s name
 
We’ve had non-stop issues as it is impossible to travel around in upstate NY without rain (especially this year). But after 2.5 years of trying things, I think I have it under control, finally.
As Cary indicates above, the lovely teardrop shape of our trailers maybe acts as an airplane wing, under certain circumstances. A Honda CRV at 65 mph seems to be ideal. Non-turbulent, fast moving air creates low pressure over the trailer, lifts up the fan cover, creates low pressure in the cabin and then water gets sucked in through even the smallest of openings. Unusual but it seems logical. Look at that shape of our trailers! But some openings are not so small as I’ll describe below.
I have replaced the standard fan with a Maxair fan which has closing arms on each side, but that didn’t solve it. It must still lift up somehow. Maybe more so because its cap is bigger than the original fan.
So I searched for leaks and the biggest source of the leaks: under the fenders. There shouldn’t any leaks there. Greg thought it to be impossible but it is undeniable for our trailer. The mattress was often wet underneath, and the wettest right at the wheel wells, on both sides.
I took the wheels off, put the garden hose on the side and bottom of the trailer under all kinds of angles. Behind the wheel under the fender where the wall meets the floor, there was a hole somewhere. I have video of water shooting into the cabin from underneath the triangular reinformcement piece on the wall/floor joint. Happened on both sides! But impossible to see it visually. But that place is one of the wettest on the outside of the trailer so with a vacuum assist, water will get in. I tried several times to seal it with silicone caulk in a few places but never quite got it sealed. Eventually put heavy duty car sealant all along bottom corner starting a foot in front of the fender to a foot behind it. worked it into every corner and crevice I could find. Then I sprayed black truckbed coating on top of that. That finally did the trick. At least for water in those spots under the mattress.
2nd biggest source: where the ends of the door seals meet. The sides of the mattress gets soaked in the middle of the doors with any rain. Even after the fender area sealing I described above. On ours those door seal ends were cut in a little V-shape. Maybe that was done for draining potential condensate on cold doors. But if you put the water hose at the bottom of the door, it shoots right in. Again with a vacuum assist, water surely gets sucked in that way. I inverted the door seals to have the ends meet at the top of the door instead. Less water there. And then I filled the V-shaped gap with silicone. Mattress was dry! If there is a condensate problem, I’ll manage that another way. We always have the windows open and have very little condensate anyway.
The last source was a little water coming in along the door. On the right side, the door is warped a little bit under the door handle, enough to not seal completely. Sitting in the trailer, with the curtains closed and peering along the door seal, I could see light come in. I had some 5/16” soft tubing laying around that I put under the door seal. Enough to push it out a little bit, still soft to flex as the door closes. A new door seal probably works also.
There is a vent hole above the windows, but I’ve never seen water come in that way. Might be too high up. But if it leaks there, I’ll resort to removable rubber plugs.
This memorial day weekend we drove 4 hours in the pouring rain to the ADK mountains on Friday. The mattress was folded up and lifted up because we’ve had to deal with wet sides a few too many times. However, everything was dry! Great relief. I’m still a bit hesitant to declare complete success but it was the most significant improvement I’ve made so far. To be extra sure, I think I’ll replace two screws on the fan rim with screw-eyes and then I can add a strap over the fan cover to prevent any movement. That would solve the root cause but I think it is difficult make that fan seal completely.
BTW, the trailer is completely dry when not driven. And we’ve had some tremendous downpours while camping.
Hope this helps someone else. Curious if our experience is unique.
I have pictures that I might post later.
Rutger
Thanks for your reply :) and sharing all you have done
Just curious- what number is yours? Raindrop or teardrop?
I’ll be working on it all over the next few weeks
We live in west texas ans have had it over a year but no issues cause we rarely travel in the rain lol
 
I have 550 #524 and Cary and I worked through the airplane wing scenario several years ago. I removed the mattress from the TD and drove in a heavy rain (I live in Seattle) at 75 mph (towing with a Subaru Outback). The plywood floor was covered in small water puddles. I then put a piece of plywood with a rubber seal on the inside of the fan (assumption here was that any suction created by the wing effect would tighten the seal). I drove the same route - same speed and the TD was absolutely dry. Craig (I believe) came up with a plastic clamp that would hold down the fan cover (on the side without a hinge). I installed that clamp and ran the same test again and it worked. There were two sizes of clamps depending on the fan that was installed on your camper. That solution worked for me for several years and 75mph rides through storms in Wyoming/Montana/etc.

The bernoulli effect is real - and remember it can lift a 747 with 300 people (at 200 mph)

I recently upgraded to the new MaxxAir fan with two hinges and still had some water after a run through Idaho in snow/rain mix. Not sure its the same issue but I plan to add a similar clamp as even the new fan might be rising slightly at high speeds. Rutgers Puts seems to be seeing the same water with the new Maxxair. It doesn't take much of a lift at all to create the vacuum in the cabin. So if you drive at high speeds even in the rain - this might be the way to solve your issue. As Cary said - not such an issue for the 560.

I also will note that I have replaced the door seals with the new seals, and I did try the tape on the drains during those test runs.

I also seem to remember that none of this was an issue at 55mph.
 
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