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Furnace Questions About The Furnace

ApisM

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I would like to know if anybody has a picture of the storage box with and without a furnace. How much room do you lose with a furnace, visually.

In addition, how cold can you camp in one? I live in Canada and it goes below 0 F during hunting season. does your body heat work good in them at 0 F? Also, those ceramic heaters would need a generator to run them, why would people suggest them?
 
In a 550, the furnace takes up 50% of the area in the lower part of the front storage box.

Due to the narrower front on a 560, the front storage box is also narrower than on a 550. The furnace then takes ups about 80% of the lower front storage.

We don't have any pictures of the storage box with the furnace because you can't see it once it is built in.

As far as camping in cold weather, we have several members here who do it & I'm sure they will share some of their experiences.

Most people who use ceramic heaters are not primitive camping, so have access to electricity. Many of us have 12v heated mattress pads, which work very well for warming the bed. We have camped at temps down to about 25º with just the 12v pad & been very comfortable.

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Did anyone get pictures of this? I thought the lower storage was completely used...its encouraging that it isnt' :)

From the door how many inches of usable space is there on the 560?

I just need a place for Anderson levelers and a couple 'outdoorsy' thinks like 1lb propane cylenders or myabe a torch or two...(tiki)
 
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The compartment is 6" deep, 9" tall and 11" wide. Propane cylinders will fit, levelers probably not. Also note that there are a couple of reinforcing members in the corners that use a bit of space.
 
For what it’s worth, I regret not getting the furnace option. So many more campsites available in the winter! That stated,manage quite well down to about 25 or so with a dog and down blankets.
 
Winter is tough --- salt is the true enemy of aluminum. We had a couple scars from an unexpected road salting on ours. If I get mine early enough, I'll SURELY be putting on a thick coat of wax. I want to explore ceramics as well. Ceramics is oversold --- but it does have its uses, and based on what I've seen in the auto-detailing world I'd consider it.

We have camped down to about 28-30 degrees is fine with your furry variety of heaters :) It was still quite good as long as you have electricity to run a heated blanks. We found a 1200 watt ceramic heater + heated mattress pad would do very well even with a side tent and the door open. It wasn't toasty --- but in was comfortable enough. The biggest problem we had was the worry about knocking it over and igniting something. Not terribly likely --- I feel slightly safer with the furnace. Perhaps even bring that temp down to low 20's.

Cold hasn't been a problem --- its condensation. We had the sunroof option that CI used to offer -- it would quite literally drip when it got that cold outside. The '21 we're waiting for woin't have that, I'm hoping it will be more adaptable to cold.

I fully expect that most of our camping in the future will be done in the cooler months. Frankly, it's far more enjoyable....50 degrees and a camp fire is the best therapy there is. 90 and AC beats the office...but there have been times where I wish we weren't there.

We can get out usually in Mid-march --- by then there's usually been a rain to wash the streets and April is a safe bet. In autum, November and December are perfectly fine....we don' tsee snow typically until January.

THis leaves March, April, May, November and December pretty much wide open.....June and October are 50/50

I hate the loudmouth campers who insist on playing loud music and using their "outside voices" at 11pm. Let them have the June/July/August months.

On the hardware note, there is definitely no room for the leveler -- those go more like 12-13inches. Even though this area is smallish, its better than nothing - which is what I had in my head.

Honestly, I'm not sure these are needed --- in our 2012 we always leveled fine with the tongue jack and the scissor stabilizers in back. They aren't supposed to be used for "leveling" just stabilizing --- but the CI weights so little, as long as 1 wheel is firmly planted on the ground to keep from side loading, I doubt lifting the other is likely not going to cause issues.

I have to keep reminding myself --- simple is best. Maybe adding the Anderson is really not needed after all.

We bought into the lie that bigger was better, add more options when I watched a class A roll in, and push a button to stabilize, another to extend his slide, and another to extend his awning. Then he pulled shore power off an extension reel to the power pole. After that, he sat inside for the whole time we were there.

I thought that is what I wanted, except we would of course still go outside.

The reality was we didn't, and I was always worried about dependability of the hydraulics, the slides going off their track, electronics failing, awnings being blown away in the wind. During the years I owned a 'big rig' I DID have problems with all of those systems....and beleive me, they aren't easy to fix. Even if you know they they all work.

"enough is as good as a feast" --- and campers like CI are small, simple, and easy. The ONLY thing they lack is shower and head. The head I'll take care of with a Portapotty and a tent. The shower with some wet wipes.

Frankly, these are VERY capable little campers that even if you care for them meticulously, they are still 1/10'th the work of a poorly maintained full size trailer or worse, a class A/C.

I almost feel bad for the 30 somethings who buy towables or Class A/C. B's maybe not so much they don't typically have the slides and awnings. Seriously, anything with a slide, awning and/or rubber roofs are nightmares to own.

My neighbor has one sitting in his drive that is 7 years old....and its falling apart.

The irony is, I bought RV antifreeze to winterize my Class A just before we sold it. In my garage I have at least a decade to 12 years worth of campinn winterizations paid for already :) 1/2 gallon versus 10.
 
Winter is tough --- salt is the true enemy of aluminum. We had a couple scars from an unexpected road salting on ours. If I get mine early enough, I'll SURELY be putting on a thick coat of wax. I want to explore ceramics as well. Ceramics is oversold --- but it does have its uses, and based on what I've seen in the auto-detailing world I'd consider it.

We have camped down to about 28-30 degrees is fine with your furry variety of heaters :) It was still quite good as long as you have electricity to run a heated blanks. We found a 1200 watt ceramic heater + heated mattress pad would do very well even with a side tent and the door open. It wasn't toasty --- but in was comfortable enough. The biggest problem we had was the worry about knocking it over and igniting something. Not terribly likely --- I feel slightly safer with the furnace. Perhaps even bring that temp down to low 20's.

Cold hasn't been a problem --- its condensation. We had the sunroof option that CI used to offer -- it would quite literally drip when it got that cold outside. The '21 we're waiting for woin't have that, I'm hoping it will be more adaptable to cold.

I fully expect that most of our camping in the future will be done in the cooler months. Frankly, it's far more enjoyable....50 degrees and a camp fire is the best therapy there is. 90 and AC beats the office...but there have been times where I wish we weren't there.

We can get out usually in Mid-march --- by then there's usually been a rain to wash the streets and April is a safe bet. In autum, November and December are perfectly fine....we don' tsee snow typically until January.

THis leaves March, April, May, November and December pretty much wide open.....June and October are 50/50

I hate the loudmouth campers who insist on playing loud music and using their "outside voices" at 11pm. Let them have the June/July/August months.

On the hardware note, there is definitely no room for the leveler -- those go more like 12-13inches. Even though this area is smallish, its better than nothing - which is what I had in my head.

Honestly, I'm not sure these are needed --- in our 2012 we always leveled fine with the tongue jack and the scissor stabilizers in back. They aren't supposed to be used for "leveling" just stabilizing --- but the CI weights so little, as long as 1 wheel is firmly planted on the ground to keep from side loading, I doubt lifting the other is likely not going to cause issues.

I have to keep reminding myself --- simple is best. Maybe adding the Anderson is really not needed after all.

We bought into the lie that bigger was better, add more options when I watched a class A roll in, and push a button to stabilize, another to extend his slide, and another to extend his awning. Then he pulled shore power off an extension reel to the power pole. After that, he sat inside for the whole time we were there.

I thought that is what I wanted, except we would of course still go outside.

The reality was we didn't, and I was always worried about dependability of the hydraulics, the slides going off their track, electronics failing, awnings being blown away in the wind. During the years I owned a 'big rig' I DID have problems with all of those systems....and beleive me, they aren't easy to fix. Even if you know they they all work.

"enough is as good as a feast" --- and campers like CI are small, simple, and easy. The ONLY thing they lack is shower and head. The head I'll take care of with a Portapotty and a tent. The shower with some wet wipes.

Frankly, these are VERY capable little campers that even if you care for them meticulously, they are still 1/10'th the work of a poorly maintained full size trailer or worse, a class A/C.

I almost feel bad for the 30 somethings who buy towables or Class A/C. B's maybe not so much they don't typically have the slides and awnings. Seriously, anything with a slide, awning and/or rubber roofs are nightmares to own.

My neighbor has one sitting in his drive that is 7 years old....and its falling apart.

The irony is, I bought RV antifreeze to winterize my Class A just before we sold it. In my garage I have at least a decade to 12 years worth of campinn winterizations paid for already :) 1/2 gallon versus 10.
We bought in to the Class A. Thank goodness it’s gone. We are presently downsizing as much as the wife will let me. She not aware of my retirement present!
 
We bought in to the Class A. Thank goodness it’s gone. We are presently downsizing as much as the wife will let me. She not aware of my retirement present!

exactly how I feel! I expected gas to be $6 by now, and sold it….probably a little early. This has been the first summer in almost a decade we haven’t camped. That is tough!

what did you have? We had a 2004 bounder. Overall not bad, just a maintenance and repair monkey pit. When I traded it, I expect the wheel bearings were starting to go….I just didn’t have it in me any more. 18 months of worry about what was going to break next was all I could do….
 
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Amen to all that.

Condensation is manageable.
Getting warm is easy. It is a rare occasion i ever wished i had the furnace. Because of the small interior and good insulation you, the human, is the first heat source. Managing warmth with blankets is easy. And on occasion the furnace would have been nice .

But my standout winter camping memories are of waking up to snow. Being warm and snuggly inside that Sweet little trailer. Then going outside and making coffee. Or going down the road (at the Grand Canyon) and throwing snowballs at Sue&Jims teardrop to Get Up!

Ooops...offramp....time to go camping.
There it is. That’s what we learned in Alaska (without a furnace) — we could sleep warmly through the night at temperatures which meant freezing our faces off while cooking / making coffee / doing anything outside the camper. Our “too cold to camp” temp is therefore warmer than our “too cold to sleep in the camper” temp.
 
Yah, furnace is definitely not a need. We kept very war, with mattress pad and a little ceramic heater. Down to 28 or so. But I’m expecting single occupancy, with lower temps maybe without short power. This is where heat will be needed…
 
exactly how I feel! I expected gas to be $6 by now, and sold it….probably a little early. This has been the first summer in almost a decade we haven’t camped. That is tough!

what did you have? We had a 2004 bounder. Overall not bad, just a maintenance and repair monkey pit. When I traded it, I expect the wheel bearings were starting to go….I just didn’t have it in me any more. 18 months of worry about what was going to break next was all I could do….
We had a 2018 Holiday Rambler 34S for 3 years. Even as reliable as it was, there was always something that needed addressing, not to mention the cost of ownership. We prefer state parks and a Class A tends to migrate to RV Parks which doesn’t appeal to me.
 
Sounds the same. Our bounder was a 2006 was more or less reliable. The saving grace is that I am fairly able to fix my own things...once you realize the guys who built it are not rocket scientists…things generally come apart easier than they look. The exception are things that are heavy….slides….and you need forklifts to work on. Water pumps and valves are all pretty easy.

The worst part was that rv dealers won’t service old rigs….you’re on your own. If you aren’t ready for that reality…roving becomes difficult. independent shops are better, but then there’s the 3 month waiting lists….

I think that whole industry is corrupt….they just don’t care about their customers after the ink dries on the sales contract….

the fact that many Ford truck dealers don’t fix F53 chassis items says it all…
 
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We use a portable cube heater if needed. With a couple of Pendleton wool blankets we don't really need to fire it up. I was reading this thread and did not realize the 560 storage is smaller than the 550..learn something new everyday. I am hoping the CICO doesn't require us to use the cube heater but, ya' never know what Wisconsin weather will bring.
 
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